I just tried to watch this “debate” between Stephan Guyenet, “Ph.D.” and “journalist” Gary Taubes.
And it was a train wreck. Unlistenable. A shitshow between two people with the ego the size of Texas.
Even Joe Rogan had to cut off the recording hastily at the end.
If you are nihilistic and hate life, watch this to put you over the edge: